Right then. I take it back...... after a short time tweeking and taking on Sven's advice, I got in the buggy with the 10m Extacy. Very dodgy wind, 0 - 12mph very on and off. Apart from the bad lulls, the only complaint was that I could only go upwind! I was going so hard upwind, the guy I was with on his "racekite" couldn't even follow me! These kites are not for static flying. In fact, static, it fly's pants. Get moving, and it's a whole different ball game. It comes to life, movement is it's thing. It locks in and drives. One last thing - if moving over from any open celled foil, these things don't fly like blades, sammi's or frenzy's or anything else I have flown. You need to tune yourself to something new.