daveywavey Posted March 9, 2006 Report Posted March 9, 2006 Just a discussion/b1tching argument in our house at the moment:rolleyes: - Some of us fly arcs and some leis, and me - both! We are wondering what is better for upwind kitesurfing. Quote
keyrb101 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Posted March 9, 2006 started with a low aspect lei which was poo, but my new venoms are really good, but so is my best yarga. try giving specific kites? Quote
daveywavey Posted March 9, 2006 Author Report Posted March 9, 2006 GI 13m vs North Toro 2003 12m Quote
paulie_amoose Posted March 9, 2006 Report Posted March 9, 2006 Probally pretty similar they are both on the low end of mid aspect ratio. Niether is an upwind machine. Kinda pointless discussion as the biggest factor has gotta be the rider.... Quote
adamski Posted March 9, 2006 Report Posted March 9, 2006 Well... the Venom goes upwind really well, just point and go:D Quote
Skyhooked Posted March 9, 2006 Report Posted March 9, 2006 Well... the Venom goes upwind really well, just point and go:D agreed. once its lit, it flies very close to the wind and gets upwind better than my LEIs of a similar aspect ratio should mention this seems to apply to high winds only - maybe as the arc has a smoother profile than an LEI or SLE can since there is not bulk leading edge the kite can penetrate the window better in more moderate winds, the ARCs performance is not as good as LEI or SLE so upwind basically sucks but when its nuking, the arc flies so far to the edge of the window. not saying they are ALL the best upwind kites ALL the time, just that when its nuking, they go upwind like bastads anyway off down pub now - battle of the bands!! Quote
Coopes Posted March 9, 2006 Report Posted March 9, 2006 GI 13m vs North Toro 2003 12m G I3 is higher aspect ratio and they do go upwind well, never used a Toro Quote
northern jim Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 G's are fine upwind, as long as there is **** loads of wind! Venoms are much better, but I find a mid/high aspect LEI or foil is the best for pointing. Quote
Skyhooked Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 G's are fine upwind, as long as there is **** loads of wind! Venoms are much better, but I find a mid/high aspect LEI or foil is the best for pointing. then you need to try a phantom aspect ratio of 6.5m yet still one of the most stable kites for your money of course this kite has as much going against as it does for it Quote
Joe Cool Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 Ok I fly both LEI's and Foils. Foils upwind ability far exceeds that of an LEI. In my opinion a LEI in light winds is the best bet for heavy blokes. Quote
northern jim Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 Yes, but we're talking about on the water, and I know dave is new to the wet stuff;). then you need to try a phantom aspect ratio of 6.5m yet still one of the most stable kites for your money of course this kite has as much going against as it does for it Quote
kitesurfa Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 Probally pretty similar they are both on the low end of mid aspect ratio. Niether is an upwind machine. Kinda pointless discussion as the biggest factor has gotta be the rider.... G13 isn't Low Aspect its High Aspect Ratio. Peter Lynn give 4.5 but thats for its projected area. Do the maths with Span, Area and Cord it's in Phantom Territory around '6.4' Venoms are 5.0 quoted by PL and with the maths. Quote
kitesurfa Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 then you need to try a phantom Agree my 18 is great upwind, but that is the problem - edge to hard with them on water and you can kill most of the power when its right at the edge of the window. Quote
paulie_amoose Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 G13 isn't Low Aspect its High Aspect Ratio. Peter Lynn give 4.5 but thats for its projected area. Do the maths with Span, Area and Cord it's in Phantom Territory around '6.4' Venoms are 5.0 quoted by PL and with the maths. Ok, I did'nt know the 4.5 quote was for projected area hence my comment the its on the low end of mid aspect ratio, I never said it was low! It's probally higher aspect than Toro then and probally better upwind. The Toro was never a highly rated kite anyway. Quote
adamski Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 All the time I have spent face down in the water I have only managed to dunk a Venom twice. GOT to be stable! Quote
KermitStu Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 ok i know you didnt ask but i am going to say how much better flysurefers are to lei for upwind pull i was out today with a guy on a lei he put his kite to the side of the window and walked to the water with almost no pull me on the other hand had my psycho 2 at the side of the window and i was getting dragged so much i had to dump the kite and pack it away i couldent belive the amount of pull it had ps 7m in 21mphish winds Quote
daveywavey Posted March 10, 2006 Author Report Posted March 10, 2006 Nope flysurfers arent included - only jokin The only thing was that Mark came back from his first kitesurfing session ever and just stated that hes gettin an LEI instead of his GI 13m as he said they are so much better upwind - but i think thats a load of crap as i believe as most peeps have mentioned its down to pilot experience/control more than anything - PL Gs are built for water after all. Quote
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