Scotland Movie

[zimmer]

Have to say I have hung out with the "tractionkiting lot". Never met a nicer bunch of folks. For the record, I did have an anorak on :-)

[zimmer]

Forgot to say, nice vid. It's probably best when you have a nice spot like that to keep it to yourself.

[mrbuggy]

And here's another one. Was going to go to Fisharrow Sands but there was to much stuff on the beach. So found myself on Senton Sands at 8am and it was freezing (Not all the middle age folk stop kiting for the winter months.

something to do with commitment to the sport "defcom").

 

The vid reflects the lonelyness of the lone kiter. The relationship between buggy and man. The fight with the wind the terain the - the -the this is bollocks watch the vid here CLICK HERE FOR VID

 

Beach details here Senton Sands

[grantyg]

I have to agree with defcom on the fact the beach does look soft in the video!

Also the sped up camera work made me feel a tad sea sick.

[mrbuggy]

I have to agree with defcom on the fact the beach does look soft in the video!

Also the sped up camera work made me feel a tad sea sick.

 

Its a head cam how do you think I felt. Soft, firm a bit wet in places. No pedestrians, Clean Westerly Wind, no one else there except for the Kite Surfers, no regulations, less of a drive from Kinghorn than St Andrews, better Westerly wind (sorry I mentioned that). buggies seemed to like it as well.

 

Dam I only did this for a laugh, I go to what ever beach fits the cleanest wind, didn't now I was going to open such a large bucket of worms for some people.

[grantyg]

Nope you did`nt open a can of worms it did look soft but I `ill pop across and see for my self as an easterly venue that likes a westerly wind is intersting.

[jude]

Its a head cam how do you think I felt. Soft, firm a bit wet in places. No pedestrians, Clean Westerly Wind, no one else there except for the Kite Surfers, no regulations, less of a drive from Kinghorn than St Andrews, better Westerly wind (sorry I mentioned that). buggies seemed to like it as well.

 

Dam I only did this for a laugh, I go to what ever beach fits the cleanest wind, didn't now I was going to open such a large bucket of worms for some people.

 

That's why I rarely post on the flexi forums, folk seem to prefer to be negative about things, they don't seem to like people having a good time or having an opinion that differs from theirs.

 

This post will no doubt also upset folk, but hey you can't please everyone.

 

I know we will be happy to come and have a look and anyway the less folk there the better

 

Jude

 

http://www.tractionkiting.co.uk

[defcom]

anyways jude ,since were on the subject of videos .

does tractionkiting.co.uk have permission to broadcast bbc scotland copyright materail?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3281849.stm

[OwainGDWilliams]

Hi Defcom,

In a word.....YES.

 

The content is not being taken from the the BBC website either. We have written permission to place the file on our website.

 

Regards,

 

Owain.

[jude]

anyways jude ,since were on the subject of videos .

does tractionkiting.co.uk have permission to broadcast bbc scotland copyright materail?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3281849.stm

 

 

I think what you have just quoted is a link for the BBC web pages, that has nothing to do with BBC Alba programs, do you honestly think we would place a video on our site that we weren't allowed to???????

 

What may have escaped your notice is that it was Owain that was in the video, not only do we have permission but we were supplied with all sorts of edited out clips, video stills etc to use as we wanted.

 

Unlike other people we do things by the book

 

Jude

 

http://www.tractionkiting.co.uk

[defcom]

hey granty g ,did u get permission to use footage from u time on bbc on the windthings site.

[grantyg]

Nope we didn`t even though we featured in it - the standard cost from the bbc to use the footage was around £750 for every 30 seconds and that would only be vailid for 3 years. This includes the use of the soundtrack with the footage (by the late great martyn bennett) - we wanted to use it but the £4500 price tag was a bit too much!

As a freelance musician I have recorded lots for the beeb and I must admit I am suprised they are letting you use stuff without a charge??

Still I get a nice crispy cheque every few months from work done years back so I can`t complain.

On the other hand the STV footage we are allowed to use at somepoint with no cost and there is written permission for this floating around somewhere.

Defcom has a very good point because some of the producers that work with the BBC are freelance and may not be totally up on the standard copyright issues that the BBC use specially if they work with lots of media companies.

Best rule of thumb is to check and double check when it comes to copyrights - because as some work that I did a few years ago is freely accessible on download servers all over the place I do get a bit annoyed about the fact that every time someone downloads it I lose 26p that would have come from the purchase if it was bought!

[jude]

Nope we didn`t even though we featured in it - the standard cost from the bbc to use the footage was around £750 for every 30 seconds and that would only be vailid for 3 years. This includes the use of the soundtrack with the footage (by the late great martyn bennett) - we wanted to use it but the £4500 price tag was a bit too much!

As a freelance musician I have recorded lots for the beeb and I must admit I am suprised they are letting you use stuff without a charge??

Still I get a nice crispy cheque every few months from work done years back so I can`t complain.

On the other hand the STV footage we are allowed to use at somepoint with no cost and there is written permission for this floating around somewhere.

Defcom has a very good point because some of the producers that work with the BBC are freelance and may not be totally up on the standard copyright issues that the BBC use specially if they work with lots of media companies.

Best rule of thumb is to check and double check when it comes to copyrights - because as some work that I did a few years ago is freely accessible on download servers all over the place I do get a bit annoyed about the fact that every time someone downloads it I lose 26p that would have come from the purchase if it was bought!

 

 

I get the feeling that you dont think we know what we are talking about, think I'll just leave you and defcom to your own thoughts since you seem to share them

 

Jude

 

http://www.tractionkiting.co.uk

[grantyg]

Where in my post do I exactly have a go at TK ??? I am merely answering an honest question and yes you are correct I am entitled to my own thoughts but working in the music industry for the last 10 years I am well aware of copyright.

Fantastic that the BBC have let you do this without charging but I must say that is very rare in my experience.

[defcom]

hey u can disagree with me all u want ,but hey granty g works in the business.

anyways about copyriights do u have permission from Parlophone

for using radiohead songs in u video's and enya to?

and since the songs r in full and for any1 to view or download.

wouldnt that be classed as illegal music downloading?

or u paying royalties?

[grantyg]

OOPS can open and worms on the floor!

[jude]

I am well aware of copyright laws and if any of you bothered to actually read my posts I think you will find it was you that assumed TK got to use the footage free, never once did we mention if a fee was paid or not.

 

The dangers of jumping to conclusion

[OwainGDWilliams]

As you will find with many kiting videos on the net, I do and have used music from recognised artists and I guess officially we should all get permission to use the music, but do we, nope.

Its good to see you are viewing our Gallery Defcom just a shame that someones video has caused all this aggro

 

Back to MrBuggy's video, the sand does look a bit soft at the start of the video but as he has said, he gets 30mph on this beach which makes me think there is plenty of room to get to that speed and then slow down enough to turn and hard enough sand to do this without pinging yourself out the top of the buggy!....I for one will be giving it a go in the next couple of months (the beach that is, not pinging myself out of my buggy!).

 

MrBuggy has already started a couple of threads over on the TK forum which can be used to arrange to meet up with others if people wish.....

 

O.

[defcom]

So tractionkiting.co.uk is guilty of music copyright violations.

 

Specific legislation has been passed to more directly address digital concerns. The No Electronic Theft (NET) Act criminalizes sound recording copyright infringements occurring on the Internet regardless of whether there is financial gain from such infringements. A copyright is infringed when a song is made available to the public by uploading it to an Internet site for other people to download, sending it through an e-mail or chat service, or otherwise reproducing or distributing copies without authorization from the copyright owner. In civil cases copyright infringement can occur whether or not money was exchanged for the music, and in criminal cases there only needs to be a possibility of financial loss to the copyright holder or financial gain to the infringer. The NET Act sets penalties for willful copyright infringement.

[Bar None]

@defcom

 

after seeing the video and reading through this thread you seem a must unsavouary character.