WIE110 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Hi fellow buggy freaks, sorry for asking a typical question from a die hard peter lynn vapor2 user: but what would be a good depower kite to start the depower adventure? i was thinking, it should be open cell, as i frequently go alone, so i need to be able to start and land on my own? i was thinking, a kite with a moderate aspect ratio? Although, will this disappoint me, as the speed will be lower compared to the vapor kites ? so, i ended up with the PL lynx? or Leopard? please advice, looking forward to your massive feedback Vincent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger37 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Why not try single skin depower kites? They are light weight and easy to launch, control and land. I have 3 and 7m Born Kites LongStar 2 as well as other single skin kites and love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE110 Posted August 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Hi Tiger37, A while ago I met someone with a Racestar kite of Bornkites. That one was on my list, but I could easily outrun him with my vapor kite. So, it seems to be that this type of kite would be a step backward not forward Tiger37 and .Joel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffnyc Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 If you're used to throwing around vapors, you should just go straight for a decent closed cell like a soul/speed/chrono imho. Spend some time on a beach or grass where you won't kill it to get used to it (not sure where you ride). They are landable by walking up the lines, or just ejecting in higher winds. But there is something to be said for the reride systems on some of the single surface and ozone kites. Kite ski with a friend that has a FS Peak 4 and was jealous of how quickly he could put that thing up and down. Way less jealous when I could easily smoke him going up wind and speed runs. So in that respect, you would probably be disappointed. Some of the higher aspect kites like FS sonics are way harder to handle, I wouldn't recommend as first DP kite, but I'm sure you'll build up to them quickly. .Joel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Joel Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 5:39 PM, WIE110 said: sorry for asking a typical question from a die hard peter lynn vapor2 user: but what would be a good depower kite to start the depower adventure? If you're used to handling Vapors anything mid-aspect is going to frustrate you as it drifts back in the window early at speed. Chrono/Speed/Aurora, either one is dialed back enough for you to get used to in a light wind. With your experience on Vapors I'd bet a few months before you go looking for R1's/Sonics/Diablos etc so try and avoid spending too much on that first depower. @Chook went from Vapors to Depowers, he'd probably be better at answering this question than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Yes Vapors need a gentle touch to get the best out of them. I loved them and still have 4 of them. I really hesitated to fly my 7m Ozone R1 I bought for a start but once I gave it a go I was hooked after the first 10 minutes. Thanks @gannet your a great coach. The depower is still sensitive to fly well, but the depower made it so much safer for this old fella. Being able to let off any power in the turn instantly was a refreshing change. They still high speed stall like a vapor if your rough, but I'm sure you will enjoy a race kite. Long Beach at Kingston South East in South Australia. I also had an 8mtr Ozone Access which I tried but it was so sedate after flying the Vapors I sold it along with an Access 6. They were just no thrill and no upwind like a depower race kite. You wont be dissapointed jumping straight into a depower race kite at all. It didnt take me long to aquire a quiver of R1's. 7, 11, 13, 15 and I have an 18 ELF Joker 7. Also have a Chrono 18 and a 15 Chrono2 but love the R1's more for pure speed. Long Beach in Kingston SE, South Australia. Hope this helps, Cheers Chook andy666, Juan Valdez, Tiger37 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE110 Posted September 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 @Chook nice vid hitting well above 80 km/h! any concerns with flying an R1 on my own on the beach? can you land them solo safely also at higher winds? Got no reference, i m sorry, but how is the PL aero and nova related to the R1, besides that the R1 has an elevated price? thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy666 Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 The PL nova is their all round kitesurfing kite. the aero is PL’s race kite. But I think the R1 is still faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Yes I mainly kite buggy by myself. I use the Ozone 4 line race bar and when you release the chicken loop the bar slides up a single power line. I fly as low to the ground as possible and then release. Best to get someone to wrap their arms around the bottom 1/3 of the kite to land you to avoid this. Dont grab a tip of a race foil as the internal reinforcing straps dont go all the way to the last few cells on each side and can tear easily. I have to be honest sometimes the lines and bridle does get really tangled in strong winds as it flaps about while I'm getting to the kite it to sand it down. I have the original Ozone R1's and they are MUCH more robust than the series 2's,3's or 4's. The material is much stronger on the originals and it's great, as they will wear on the front leading edges where the plastic profile retainers are inserted at the front of the ribs, if used on sharp salt, clay or shells. I also have an 8m R1 Version 2 and it's a much more delicate/thinner material (but much lighter) thats easily prone to ripping, or cells ripping through the air holes if it hits the ground badly. I bought it cheaply damaged and it was an increadible amount of work to repair it. Never flown an PL Aero so cant compare their performance. You wont be disapointed with depower! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE110 Posted September 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 I notice that there is the Chrono and the Chrono exp, right? The chrone exp is used as a snow kite, and the vid shows you can easily land alone! what about this kite for the buggy? would it be a good engine, fast enough compared to my vapors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 I have no experience with them or any other 5 line kites sorry. My Chrono's are a bit more forgiving (lower aspect ratio)than the full race kites but still perform well. Just not quite as quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE110 Posted December 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Hello again, What do you think of the new IBEX, open cell, medium aspect, high cell count, snow kite of Peter Lynn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Valdez Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 The IBEX looks to me like an open cell Nova... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE110 Posted December 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 You are right, a Nova open cell, good for land use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE110 Posted June 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 Hi there, the Ozone Chrono EXP V3 shows this range chart. I believe this chart is meant for a snow kiter? So, for a buggy I just pick one size bigger ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE110 Posted June 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Thanks for all the good feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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