Freda Latou Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 no but it didnt work with streetstar on 10 meter lines no way to steer i hav used the ergo bar with genesis 8m it works too but i had low wind , hav to try again the problem with close cell kites on land is that you hav to pack when you cant sail further a single skin kite is beter for that today was more paddling than kiting , btw i do both together in low winds Fat kite on land is mext next aim it would extend the range of my sessions i could sail 20 KM downwind then pedal back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Does StreetStar come with the bar or do you have to buy that separate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Sold with bar can be used with other kites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Tried my homebrew single handed handle today. If you have enough wind to ride it provides plenty of control. Fun way to ride. Easy to make the bar with PVC pipe, a few drill bits and a heat gun. windstruck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 Glad you enjoy ergo bar to. Can you show à pic off thé bar ? With 3 beaufort i could steer thé street star with 7 m lines no ergo bar but boat hook as bar. So ergo could work with lines if wind is strong enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Quote perfect with depower bar i will use snap links on the bridles to switch easely from ergo to depower bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 7:30 PM, Freda Latou said: Glad you enjoy ergo bar to. Can you show à pic off thé bar ? With 3 beaufort i could steer thé street star with 7 m lines no ergo bar but boat hook as bar. So ergo could work with lines if wind is strong enough @Freda Latou It is just a PVC pipe about 60cm long, bent with a heat gun, a few holes drilled and notches in the ends to wrap line around. I put a line in the middle for harness hook or maybe depower if I can figure that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 nice work now that i hav put snap links between bridles and bar i need less a second hand made ergo bar for my nasawing and pansh my tries at steering ergo bar with 7 m lines hav failed i hav to try again , fail may be due to wrong lines settings ergo or depower bar plus your G 13 would be nice Those kind of monoskins depower very well even with no pulleys, no comparaison with nasawings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'm working on it. It seems to fly better with the middle line hooked to my harness. Here is a video. _.bbf0958c97998df58d2c4c40e3131321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 @Freda Latou Here you are. Not sure if this has a true depower, but it has a "power dump" ability which is pretty useful. Just tilt the bar back and the kite flutters and depowers, but keeps flying. You can hit full power by feel. Think I need to use it with a harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 it s a bit like holding a windsurf sail with one hand at the front of the wishbone for depowering i would be interssted in making a big size G 13 you use tarp ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed rider Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Very diligent. Your kite system looks a bit like BORN KITE's Street Star. They write in their product description that there is a patent application:http://www.venturi-power.de/product_info.php?info=p277_street-star-2-0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 10 hours ago, Freda Latou said: it s a bit like holding a windsurf sail with one hand at the front of the wishbone for depowering i would be interssted in making a big size G 13 you use tarp ? I am building a 4.2 M version now. Not sure if I will build it for buggy (full ribs) or street (nose ribs only). The material is actually light polyester - just looks like tarp. My first version was tarp but didn't use the full wrap around LE. This is the 4th iteration. Plans are online. I doubt it would be as good as your 4.0 StreetStar though. http://www.laboratoridenvol.com/projects/gkite/gkite.en.html http://www.laboratoridenvol.com/projects/jouetbhl/jouet.en.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 ergo as depower bar i was bored to carry a depower bar plus street star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 I will padlle and. Sail down the loire end june. windstruck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 i am surprised an ergo bar with more angle is more efficient i will use the pansh too on my sup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedgar Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 I know this is resurrecting an old thread, but I'd be interested if anyone had concluded on a preference for either the StreetStar or the Nasa Star on short lines/bridles? I am looking for a landboard solution with short or no lines to use on the beach or beach-side walkway; winds can be a bit gusty or with lulls. I have read everything I can find here and on powerkite but it's mostly early impressions rather than longer term testing. @ssayre, any thoughts on this as I see you were using a short-line Nasa Star set-up quite regularly - were you tempted to switch to the StreetStar? One attraction of the Nasa Star set-up is its versatility for use with buggy as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windstruck Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 On 7/15/2019 at 6:28 AM, Tedgar said: I know this is resurrecting an old thread, but I'd be interested if anyone had concluded on a preference for either the StreetStar or the Nasa Star on short lines/bridles? I am looking for a landboard solution with short or no lines to use on the beach or beach-side walkway; winds can be a bit gusty or with lulls. I have read everything I can find here and on powerkite but it's mostly early impressions rather than longer term testing. @ssayre, any thoughts on this as I see you were using a short-line Nasa Star set-up quite regularly - were you tempted to switch to the StreetStar? One attraction of the Nasa Star set-up is its versatility for use with buggy as well... I had a first gen 4.0m StreetStar a couple of years ago. I didn't find that it provided very much actual traction, and far less than a comparable 4.0m NasaStar of any generation. From what I am able to gather from watching StreetStar videos is that it may be well suited for low friction riding such as pavement. I've yet to see a video of it pulling a person through thick grass for example on a landboard or some sort of skates. The videos I've watched (mostly of Steffen Born himself) has it appear that these are low traction kites since his landboard speed seems very slow to me based on my impression of wind speed from surrounding bushes, trees, etc. This is not a rub on the StreetStar, just an observation. I have personally had mixed success using NasaStars on very short or no lines, but that could just be me. The thing is, the pull per square meter just seems to be much higher with the NasaStars compared to the StreetStars. Steffen has come out with a second gen StreetStar: http://www.born-kite.de/?cat=c22_Street-Star2-Streetkites.html This second gen kite has a deeper nose profile and much superior BODAPAR lines in the bridling. If you go this direction I'd pull the trigger on the second gen. All but one of my Born-Kites are now sufficiently new that they have the BODAPAR lines and I really like them better than the older models with whatever bridle line material he used to use. IMHO, the bridling was the weak link of the pre-BODAPAR Born-Kites. I don't do this sort of riding, but if I did I'd be looking at NS4s on short lines with z-bridles to work from handles. That has become my personal preferred way to fly NasaStars. So much more control than bar flying, which even with three lines, essentially fly like two-liners with a safety line that is rarely, if ever, used. You mentioned wanting versatility into the buggy, so I think you have your answer... Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 street star is a time saver pack out and go i hav used it on grass with fatbike and mountainboard from 2 beaufort having short bridles you can sail in paths with trees where a peak 3 no lines can t , being twice longer ? i switch to 4 25m lines depower bar when i need more power i hav used nasawing and npw9 , but prefer the street star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedgar Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Thanks for the replies @windstruck & @Freda Latou, that's helpful. I had a brief email exchange with Steffen today and his take was: The NasaStar4 / 4.0m in size has much less traction (without lines) than the StreetStar2. The traction of NS4 increases with long lines. The StreetStar2 has a ERGO bar, so you can actively work against Backstall, since the angle of attack can be changed with one hand. For streetkiting on tight spaces, the SS2 is the better choice. If you want a flexibly deployable kite (long and short lines), the NS4 is right. That seems to confirm what you said about the SS2 having a different profile to the SS1 @windstruck which equates to better traction. Pros both ways so I'm still in a bit of a quandry but there's something about the simplicity of the SS2 that appeals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 I've been using single handed bar now with my buggy. Works quite well. SoutherlyBuster and windstruck 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Latou Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 That IS good for sup too Inbetween i know. I will. Water relaunch thé ss with .Legs as anchor. Standing UP thé sup moves to thé kite before kite elevates( in strong winds) https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=2094277587354746&_rdr Thé NASAs hold better shape than thé rédux. Ss kites are light!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Freda Latou said: Thé NASAs hold better shape than thé rédux. Ss kites are light!! Yes. I think the Redux kite has a bigger wind window, but it doesn't pull as hard, and is less stable so it is less effective. I think it is better than NPW on a 3 line bar with longer lines though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123matt Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 7/15/2019 at 10:28 PM, Tedgar said: I know this is resurrecting an old thread, but I'd be interested if anyone had concluded on a preference for either the StreetStar or the Nasa Star on short lines/bridles? I am looking for a landboard solution with short or no lines to use on the beach or beach-side walkway; winds can be a bit gusty or with lulls. I have read everything I can find here and on powerkite but it's mostly early impressions rather than longer term testing. @ssayre, any thoughts on this as I see you were using a short-line Nasa Star set-up quite regularly - were you tempted to switch to the StreetStar? One attraction of the Nasa Star set-up is its versatility for use with buggy as well... I've used the NS4 on shortlines, with landboard, inland lakeside gusty winds. My take on it was it's something you do for novelty factor, or just because you can. It's very quick to grab and go, works fine, but if you've got the time then a more typical kite surf/buggy/landboard session will be more satisfying. andy666 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoutherlyBuster Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 @Randy, nice of the car users to not use the car park, err um your personal kiting play ground . Nice spot by the lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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