.Joel Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Someone mentioned these a while back on the Forums (a few years ago) but information was really limited. Then in a conversation with a forum member recently they popped up again, so after some reading and searching it looks like they've really extended their range and options over the years. They make a range of kites, not just quadline: http://www.freilein.net/ Here's some photos that I've salvaged from Oceanshoreskites.com as half the images aren't working on there Freilein Vertigo Missing: Steel, Hawksquad Freilein Vertigo Max Missing: Warm, Blue Vertigo Exodus Vertigo Exodus Mid Missing: Warm, Cool, Steel, Yellow, Green, Blue, Hawksquad Vertigo Exodus Max Missing: Warm, Cool, Steel, Yellow, Red White Blue, Green, Blue, Hawksquad Vertigo Exodus Maxxx Missing: Cool, Steel, Yellow, Red White Blue, Green, Blue, Hawksquad riffclown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssayre Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Just this last Friday, I ran into a rev flier that had just been to Washington state for their kite festival. He told me not to get a rev and to get one of these. Said they were better and he owns 4 revs. riffclown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I like the look of these kites.. I've also heard them endorsed by a few Master Level flyers. Given the current swirl and quality issues from Rev with their "new" Green Trimmed Rods, I'm inclined to agree. Think I'll order a few today.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssayre Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Let me know where you order from. All I saw was an eBay option. The links didn't have a way of ordering that I saw. Freilein's site has an email address: wolf@freilein.net P.Hapster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Joel Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Well, I reached out to Andy @ Oceanshoreskites and he shared these improvements/changes to the sails with me... riffclown and ssayre 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 The leading edge venting is different. I have 2 Revs that the mesh has started to dissolve/fray on. They have done a lot of work though. My only complaint with the Freilein (I inherited from my mates widow) is the rods are really soft and heavy. This was built around 4 years ago so they would have improved since then. The sail construction is much better than my Revs. Much more neatly sewn. jhn.holgate, .Joel and riffclown 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 48 minutes ago, Chook said: The sail construction is much better than my Revs. Much more neatly sewn. That's a heck of an endorsement right there.. Are the Frames interchangeable with Rev Frames or Skyshark?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 9 hours ago, riffclown said: That's a heck of an endorsement right there.. Are the Frames interchangeable with Rev Frames or Skyshark?? The wing tips are finished off so they don't fray and it is back stitched/tacked, at the end of every seam. The sail also has 2 strips fitted to stop the vertical rods rubbing on the sail. Yes the 1.5 Rev frames slipped straight in to mine. The 2 sets of rods that came with my last B series Rev were that rough, that they fluffed up (made white marks across their contact point of the vertical rods) the Rev sail after only 2 flights. I could run my fingernail along the taped carbon wrap marks along the rods and they were like small sawtooths and equally as sharp. I sanded both sets down with wet and dry sandpaper (wet) and resurfaced/sealed them with clear coat to solve the problem. I felt that it was pretty ordinary to have to do that with such a premium priced kite. riffclown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoS Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Three of us in SA have had the Freilein Storms for a couple of years. Very high quality finish. We are very happy with them. I frequently recommend Freilein "bowtie" quads to any new flyer who wants to get into quad line flying. I've also got a Freilein Transeye. Once again, very high quality finish. But they are a bit fragile in the frame department where the spreaders cross the uprights. I had one failure in only moderate winds. Since then I've added a flexible rubber T-piece at the cross point and had no further problems .Joel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Given the pics above, Trying to figure out how well they will stack.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I'll have a few in hand by late next week. Video and details comparisons to follow.. I'm getting 4.. 3 Vertigo's to stack eventually and a Vertigo Max.. More info soon!! **Note I ordered kite Only so I will be using my current handles/lines.. .Joel, ssayre, jhn.holgate and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Joel Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 From the XK FB Comment's... Andy Oceanshoreskites said: The kites we sell are our own spec. All panels are cut by computer controlled laser. They are the definition of perfect. All sails are sewn by two master seamstresses. We use a Dyneema bonded no fray leading edge. Invisiclear anti wear strips that do not grind carbon off of tubes, have no stretch, and are nearly invisible in flight. Kevlar center reinforcement. We use an all fabric, no-tear mesh in our vents and have eliminated mesh in leading edge altogether. I left room at ends of leading edge to throw/catch without problems. Also, no upper connectors to fail, snag, break bridles, etc... .5 oz. icarex sail or new, lighter .33oz. Polyester cloth(5g. Lighter kite). Our tubes are also straighter with less weight variance and a higher modulus. Two frames are all we need. Oh, yeah, and we are less than half the price of anyone who has most of our features. Nobody has all our features. I hope this is helpful. Grateful Dave B said: Here's a pic of my 4 stack... Exodus XMax, Max, Mid vent, then a Standard quad... I used 37" premade sportkite stacklines... The more I look at the Freilein patterns the more I like them.... riffclown, Chook, jhn.holgate and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coogee Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Not to be subverting the topic but.... 0.33 oz poly. More info please! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhn.holgate Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Some vids of them in action... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoS Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 https://www.facebook.com/kevin.sanders.7982/videos/10200529887563202/?l=6092136518112143688 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 On 8/28/2016 at 7:34 PM, Chook said: . The sail construction is much better than my Revs. Much more neatly sewn. I have 4 now.. Can't speak to durability yet, but I have to agree with your workmanship assessment. Top Notch!! And I only have Vertigo and Vertigo Max right now.. Want to fly these more before checking out the Exodus.. Chook and nigel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 So today i had a short opportunity to fly my new Freilein Vertigo and Vertigo Max kites. Winds were around 8-10 MPH and directions shifting a bit, but i was able to fly both kites for a short period of time. To keep my impressions absolutely fair, I used my handles and lines from my Rev and kept the same handle knot settings initially so it could be a direct comparison.. Disclaimer, This is my opinion and my opinion only.. your Mileage may vary. The Freilein Kites were from the onset initially very brake heavy (like a Paul LeMasters tuning Brake Heavy) but I tuned in the flying line 2 knots and it was very much like what I'm personally more used to for my Revs.. That being said, if i closed my eyes and just felt the sensations through the handles, the Vertigo was extremely close to having my Rev 1.5 sail on the end of the lines. Hovering inverted was very close to the same touch as my Rev sails.. I'm sure someone more in tuned to their kites than me could probably tell a difference but I couldn't. Frame material felt to be somewhere between a 2 and 3 Wrap in stiffness and performance. The LE sleeve on the sail is not oversized and would not accept a SLE frame easily if at all.. I can't see anyone trying in the first place.. Once the wind picked up a bit I changed out the kite to the Vertigo Max. It was at the low end of the wind range for the Max but I wanted to get the sail in the air. Like the Full Sail, I'm sure it would have seemed brake heavy at first if I hadn't adjusted the handles already for the full sail. It didn't fly like a Vented Rev or like a Shook Weave. It flew like something in between. Same basic responsiveness but the feel was more like flying a full sail in lighter wind.. I did like the similarity there though. I did remember to take my Go Pro cameras.. I didn't however remember to install the SD memory so I didn't get footage today.. I will record some soon before I stack out the full sails.. jhn.holgate and nigel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssayre Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm going to get one of these as soon as the budget allows. I just flew a rev for the first time. I went to a local kite event and was able to try one. They are really relaxing and challenging to fly all at the same time. Minimal pull makes them relaxing but their maneuverability makes them fun and challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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riffclown Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Freilein Packing and unpacking addendum.. After unpacking and repacking the sails a few times, I've noticed the bag they come in seems about an inch too short for standard folding practices. Especially if you want to vary your fold points to prevent creasing/screen damage etc. It fits nicely if you fold somewhat tightly where the center section creates a natural crease but for those that want to preserve their sails, you'll have to either adjust one end in and the other end out or grab a bigger sleeve. I'd prefer the bag be about 1.5" to 2" longer. The pictured kite is seated all the way to the bottom of the bag but I've varied my fold according to general best practices only to find I can't close the bag without forcing the issue a bit.. So I had a nice chat with Andy at OSK today regarding the Freileins and my bag concern.. He graciously accepted the bag feedback and promised it would be a change based on those comments. He did say the mesh is different and less prone to the mesh issue we are familiar with but the consumer should be able to fold their kite as they please within reason. I'll follow up on this point in the future when I get more information.. While I had him on the line I was also able to get some clarification on a few other points about the Freilein Kites and the Vertigo and Exodus lines.. I had made the statement that the Exodus had the holes instead of the mesh on the leading Edge and the Vertigo had the more familiar mesh. He stated that it was a coincidence of my observations..Both models will have the holes and the newly built kites from both models now have that feature. It will make it out to the field through attrition as he goes through stock on hand. Depends on color, model etc.. He also clarified that the Vertigo will continue to be only the full sail and the Max models. If you want a mid-vent or the MAXXX you will need to go the Exodus route.. Chook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 And Things happen fast.. Andy just posted on FB that he got a request and now the bags will be made 1 inch longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy666 Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Had a look at the website. They look good, but what's the difference between the exodus and the vertigo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 The Material is different. Vertigo series is crafted with 1/3 oz. polyester sail. Exodus series is crafted with 1/2 oz. polycarbonate/icarex sail. Vertigo is their "entry level kites" compare to the Rev EXP.. andy666 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 They put out a new image recently that shows the full spectrum of the color and venting choices for both lines jhn.holgate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwininja Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Hi guys, I'm new here, but starting to look around to get a decent quad and also a stunt kite. Really like the Freilein quads and was searching the web for reviews and thats how I found Extreme Kites. I was wondering the guys that have purchased from OSK found them to deal with and also what sort of costs was involved with the freight to ship them to Oz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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